Wild Boar

topic posted Mon, October 9, 2006 - 12:31 AM by  Melodious
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I cross-posted this from my post to the Kitchen Stadium tribe (about the Iron Chef America TV show). I thought it might be of interest to this tribe and would love to hear any responses.

From tribes.tribe.net/kitchenst...17c8c4db7e

I think this ranks as the most interesting "secret ingredient" on Iron Chef America yet. I was very disappointed, however, that the ingredient itself--a very unusual one in modern America--was not discussed at all, nor did any of the dishes reflect the long culinary use of wild boar in Europe and Asia. Where was Alton Brown's usual analysis?

I'm not up on the history of wild boar in Asia, but I know that it was considered prize game in medieval Europe, though I think it may now be considered a pest there (after all, it really is just a wild and very dangerous form of pig). Out of curiosity, I did some Google searches and learned that the wild boar is not native to the New World, but was introduced by Europeans and ultimately crossbred with domestic pigs, so "wild boar" in the Americas is probably not what you would have seen centuries ago in Europe and Asia.

I found this very recent Austin, Texas newspaper article about this episode, which Iron Chef fans might enjoy (it puts to rest the question of whether the contestants know the ingredients in advance--they knew it would be one of three):
www.austin360.com/food_drin...nchef.html

I also found the wild game farm in Texas that supplied the wild boar for this episode:
www.brokenarrowranch.com/Artic...ar.htm

If their website is to be believed, this ranch practices sustainable and humane methods. But I uncovered something else, a bit disturbing, in my brief Internet forays on this topic. Apparently there are a number of private hunting "resorts" in the southern United States and Canada that set up wild boar to be shot by trophy hunters. This type of "sport" is hardly news, and as a carnivore, I'm not questioning hunting, nor am I ignorant as to where my meat comes from. But am I the only one who finds this troubling?

This one in Ontario is pretty loathsome:
www.bigtusks.com/

Especially bad is this part of their "FAQ":
"Q: What happens if I just can't get the wild boar?
A: Have faith in yourself! But, should you feel you may require assistance, WildBoar Reserve can guarantee your success. We have trained boar dogs, if/when requested, to find the wild boar for you. When a wild boar is found you can take it while it is distracted by the barking dogs. The dogs guarantee you'll get your wild boar."

I know boar dogs were used in medieval Europe, and yes, I know bow hunting was done then, but aren't we in the 21st century? Do we really need to make an animal suffer like this these days just so some wannabe "big-game hunter" can hang a pair of tusks on his wall?

Here's another one that made me positively ill, from south Texas:
www.huntinfo.com/hht/

Perhaps this is why Alton Brown didn't discuss the ingredient on the show--too likely to cause controversy? I will cross post to the Food History and Ethical Carnivore tribes as well, to get more input. I'm open to any opinions on this subject; I'm just curious about it.
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Melodious
Seattle
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  • Re: Wild Boar

    Wed, October 18, 2006 - 10:11 AM
    I once met a man who participated in Wild Boar hunts, but he and his crew used spears! I wasnt sure if i could believe this, yet the story stuck with me.
    • Re: Wild Boar

      Wed, October 18, 2006 - 3:16 PM
      >I once met a man who participated in Wild Boar hunts, but he and his crew used spears! I wasnt sure if i could believe this, yet the story stuck with me.

      Actually there are game farms where you can do so in just about every state in the US.

      Regulations about them are tightening up a good bit though, largely due to the spread of various diseases to the wild populations nearby.
      • Re: Wild Boar

        Thu, October 19, 2006 - 2:52 AM
        Here's an interesting response I got on the food history tribe (foodhistory.tribe.net):

        >>There are wild boars here in the bay area...around Mt Tam I believe but they are protected...I wonder if the local homeowners ever got them removed?

        I have hunted boar in western Cambodia and Thailand, and at times they have hunted me. They are a very smart critter that can rip a man apart with their tusks. On more than one occasion I have been tree'd by a wiley pig! I have also hunted them with Orang asli in Malaysia. In Cambodia we opted for Kalashnikov's as the weapon of choice...local villagers had them burried at the jungles edge, was never sure if we were with Kkhmer rouge or Sihanouk loyalists ...I think the border villages back then just wanted to be left alone and were loyal to whoever was stronger at any gioven moment, in any case pig hunting would be a big deal and not hard to get a village excited about getting one. Pigs can be destructive to the crops of subsistence level farmers. The technique used here was we would set out in the middle of the night, using elephant runs to ease travel in the dense jungle and a lead scout would hunt for boar runs, once located, most of the men would work their way around the runs...pigs create elaborate runs that often lead back around behind the hunter..very wiley prey...and they would use a system of beating the jungle towards the guns....while we were succesful on several occasions(this was a yearly xmas pig thing) we also were forced into the trees by large tuskers on more then one occasion. The first time we did this we used single shot muskets, by the second year we had moved completly to the AKk-47's...These pigs we would bring bac to Thailand on xmas day and roast on a spit in a western style, although some meat would make it to a jungle style curry.

        In Malaysia, I hunted with the Orang Asli who used blow pipes to take down the pigs, the darts we used had a poison made from rubber latex, called ipo if memory serves me well...we got tree's a bunch..LOL...those big tuskers are scarry!! They will gore you and while you lie on the ground writing in pain will eat you alive...very very scarry!

        While living in the Belium valley we did not hunt but the domestic pig the Dani people keep had a very boar like flavor and the style of luau that they did really made for fine pig eating...and much more flavorful than say the pigs used in pestas in Suleweisi {Torajah} which were very much like asian domestic pigs and do not in anyway resemble the pigs of Irian Jaya or Papua.

        The taste of Wild pig either ferral or truly jungly is amazingly diffrent from its domesticated farm cousin and something that should be experienced! There are a number of game purveyors that can get you boar here in the bay area...<<
        • Re: Wild Boar

          Thu, October 19, 2006 - 10:19 AM
          Wild man...wild. Now, if I can somehow make hunted boar kosher...double whammy.
          • Re: Wild Boar

            Thu, October 19, 2006 - 3:09 PM
            Uhm, maybe if you have a rabbi bless the spear and supervise the butchering? :-)

            (and no I am not trying to be rude about people wanting to be Kosher.)
            • Re: Wild Boar

              Fri, October 20, 2006 - 11:40 AM
              Sadly, hunted meat is immediately considered not kosher, it sucks! I miss a nice venison stew...
              • Re: Wild Boar

                Fri, October 20, 2006 - 6:56 PM
                That is a shame, but I see why that might be, considering you cannot be sure what it is they may have eaten in the wild.

                Would that also apply to free range meats?
                • Too many rules!

                  Fri, October 20, 2006 - 8:29 PM
                  Hmm... I believe that the law is specific about the size of the cage James. But, I'm still learning really. I'll speak to my rabbi to find out, now I'm curious!
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                    Re: Too many rules!

                    Fri, October 20, 2006 - 10:16 PM
                    Let me know what you find out. Sadly there is not a rabbi within about 100 miles of where I am that I know of and I am really curious about it myself at this point. I know a little about it from friends but not enough to know the answer in this case.

                    It would be nice if there were some answers that fit in this case though, nice in the sense of good ecological sense meshing well with the idea of being Kosher.
                • Re: Wild Boar

                  Sat, October 21, 2006 - 1:26 PM
                  I suspect the reason hunted animals are not considered kosher is the way they are killed. In order for an animal to be kosher, besides being the right kind of animal, it has to be killed by one slash with a large knife, taking the animal from concious and unharmed to dead in (supposedly) about 10 - 15 seconds.

                  I do wish stunning was allowed, from what little I know about it, but those who keep kosher would probably point out that you'll never get mad cow disease from a kosher cow, since the stunning process sprays brain material. Then again, you probably wouldn't get it anyway because of feed restrictions.

                  This used to lead to an incredibly cruel practice of suspending hoofed mammals by the rear legs before butchering to ensure death in one blow, which caused me to stop eating kosher red meats for a while, but that practice has been outlawed by many (and I think all) kosher certifying bodies, since the intent of the rules in the first place is to be humane. Be warned: halal butchers still follow this practice!

                  Anyway, I also suspect there is not a dietary concern with wild animals who are likely to eat "right" instinctively, but I'm not sure. I've seen kosher bison, which I believe was free range. I think the rules are more about what the animals are fed by humans than what they eat naturally. So for instance, I know in the old country, you could eat chickens that wandered your property and presumably ate bugs and worms, so long as what you fed them was grain.

                  I've never heard about the size of the cage thing before, but in general, an animal can't live a life that is unhealthy or it's not kosher - it should have been able to live another year if not butchered, for example. So minimum cage size seems plausible in that sense. Of course, there are rules around what the carcass looks like inside after you butcher it, how the meat is processed, etc.

                  And all that being said...there ain't no kosher pig out there. :) But you can always capture a hunted animal and kill it in a kosher way.

                  I'm really curious to hear what your rabbi has to say!
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                    Re: Wild Boar

                    Tue, December 12, 2006 - 9:18 PM

                    When I was in hawaii years back I stopped in a local bowhunting shop when I saw one, I was surprised, had no clue there was game to hunt there. I was told that local hog hunting tradition was to find them with dogs and kill them with a big knife. Not quite kosher but getting closer

                    Steffan

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