Growing your own?

topic posted Wed, November 10, 2004 - 8:10 AM by  Aggie
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I'm new to this tribe thing, so apologies in advance for any faux pas. I like the title of this tribe, because I have been thinking a lot about my own meat eating the past few years. I agree with the idea of ethical meat eating (and vegetable eating too for that matter).

Do any of you grow your own meat? I'm thinking of growing chickens next year. If I can't slaughter my own, then I wonder if it's ok for me to eat meat. That's just my idea for myself, I'm not saying that's how everyone should be. Anyway, just curious if any of you grow or have grown your own meat.
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  • Re: Growing your own?

    Wed, November 10, 2004 - 8:32 AM
    I don't now, but when I was in high school, my parents had chickens, rabbits and turkeys. We scheduled a day every winter and stocked up on enough meat for the rest of the year.

    It's messy, but I wasn't terribly disturbed by it. Not even when my mother put the names of the rabbits on the frozen packages of meat, so that a couple of months later my father served us "Deep Fried Peter Cottontail".

    The calves and goats we raised were taken to meat processing companies (living in rural Georgia, there were a plethora of those places open during deer season).

    All the animals were organically raised, BTW.
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      Thu, November 11, 2004 - 9:01 PM
      Last month we "gave death" to three chickens at RavenCroft. This place (RC) is not where I live but where I study herbal nutrition and wholeness. What I'm really learning is about the gifts these lives (plants and animals) give me, how they are a part of my community and how I am a steward in this community. They are such amazing teachers. I chose the role of "she who holds the knife" as i felt I "had" to do this since i recently started eating chicken for the first time in my life. This decision alone was unbelievably laden with ancient tuggings of guilt from three prior generations of animal activists. This beautiful young rooster taught me that I will never again make a decision out of guilt. I would have benefited far more from a role such as "she who supports" or "she who holds the space". It was emotionally quite difficult for me. It was ALSO reverent, loving (although i will choose a different method of giving death than a knife in the future) and oh so full of gratitude to these teachers. Physically it was a LOT more difficult than I imagined. I have been soul searching since and, for a while, quit eating chicken to try and sort it all out. I want to take in salvia or some other form of herbal goddess connection to try to have my OWN conversation with chicken and learn more. What a fascinating journey we are on.
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      Mon, December 6, 2004 - 2:58 PM
      We had chickens, turkeys, ducks, and rabbits too. It was always my job to be 'he who shoots the rabbit' which I didn't like much. Also rabbit was the least among my preferred dishes. It was much easier for me to be 'he who decapitates the chicken'; probably because it wasn't also my job to butcher them.
      If you are raising chickens for food, consider a few things. You will want to get what we call 'short-term' chickens; you feed them and they buff up quickly (as opposed to egg-laying chickens). Also you will want to keep them in an environment where they are walking on chicken wire that is off the ground; otherwise they doodie all over their feet, walk in their doodie, peck at their doodie, etc.
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        Tue, December 7, 2004 - 7:44 AM
        This is great info, thanks. We have a lot of neighbors who raise chickens and who have the dilemma of what to do with the oldsters that run out of gumption (and eggs). I have thought I should take their old ones off their hands and see how I feel when I am "she who decapitates the chicken." I want to make sure I won't freak out at that stage before I actually start raising chickens. Though I'll bet it will be different when they're my own chickens that I raised and know.

        What do you think about those dual-purpose chickens, there are a couple varieties that supposedly lay well and "beef" up for eating.

        Do you think they have always to be away from their doodie, or is it ok to get them away from it a week or so before slaughter?
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          Tue, December 7, 2004 - 8:47 AM
          At the farm i visit, they allow their chickens and ducks to mostly free forage in the grass and some areas of the garden which is awesome because of all the functions (stacking functions) it provides: healthy chickens, reduced bugs and even blight on veggies, fertilization of lawn/garden (yeah, you need to wear shoes in the grass usually). In addition to this, they have a chicken tractor which is a container about 6x4 feet and 4 feet high with some roosting posts and it also has a couple of wheels so it can be lifted and dragged to various parts of the garden and the chickens jsut go with it. the number of chickens inside need to be small enough (6-8) that they are comfortable. In the winter they are kept in a coop with access to the goat area. They are given death in the fall (when the veil is thin anyway - around late October) and stored in the freezer to be used with other meats for the rest of the winter/spring.
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            Tue, December 21, 2004 - 12:44 PM
            I agree with she who has several names, each funnier than the last. The most humane and ideal thing to do would be to have the chickens/ducks/what have you running around in a large area, but the tractor idea is a good compromise. The reason I suggested the chicken wire floor is that I assumed the other poster had to coop her chickens.
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    Wed, December 8, 2004 - 11:16 AM
    homegrown is so tasty! I think it's because there is so much more life energy in happy critters, not to mention better food and excercise.

    We just had 3 homegrown turkeys at our huge thanksgiving and the difference between homegrown and store bought was quite remarkable.
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    Tue, December 14, 2004 - 6:56 AM
    I lived in a very small German town for many years. My landlord's parents lived a few doors down and were farmers with pigs, rabbits, ducks and chickens for critters. The meat was always fresh and better than store bought.

    My cowboy sister and her family also hand raise a couple of calves every year - but take them to a butcher.

    Its kind of funny actually that people who are mainly of western european descent would ever try to be other than carnivorous given that genetically 'we' have only been agrarian for a little over 1,000 years. Our bodies simply have not developed the enzymes to be otherwise. The evidence is in all of the gluten, milk and dairy problems so prevalent these days.

    Kewl tribe!
    • Re: Growing your own?

      Tue, December 21, 2004 - 12:42 PM
      That is true. But there are those who would argue that we are not even supposed to cook all this meat that we're supposed to be eating due to the length of our gut (vis a vis the 'caveman diet').

      I think they are fools, in the same way that I think vegans / macrobiotics are(and I have tried both ways, mind you). I think that we are in the process of evolving not just in our minds but in the length and absorptive capabilities of our intestines; i.e. it's true that we aren't meant to eat tree bark because our gut is too short, but then again we aren't supposed to take a bite out of a hyena on the run because our gut is too long and the meat hangs around and gives us diseases while it rots (think about that next time you want to go to mcdonald's).
      • Re: Growing your own?

        Wed, June 21, 2006 - 1:20 PM

        Not just western european, but in general humyns have only been agrarian for about 10,000 years (in some cases less; around 6000 in mesoamerica, similair in the andes). The problem is that late capitalist society and industry have caused endless crimes to satiate abnormal appetites for meat: most people in the western world eat far too much meat and this is taxing the entire planet. We are omnivorous animals and to a degree (perhaps no for better) this is what makes us such an adaptable species. That we can go without animal protein, yes, with a lot of knowledge, discipline and a sedentary lifestyle...

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