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meat on craigslist!

nieveshagmeier — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:04:19 GMT

I just discovered the farm/garden tab on craigslist (took me long enough). when I search for meat there's a bunch of good local options! I am so excited because I've been looking for a decent pork source, mmmhhh there's even goat.

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Game meat - ruminants of the forest taste great and are good for you

WillieLove — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:32:58 GMT

Mmmm...venison.

I've grown up eating venison, and I love it. My dad, brothers, and family friends are all hunters. I view it as the ultimate in free range organic red meat. It's lean, nutritious, and all-around good fuel for my body.

My only ethical reservation is that the harvest of these animals is dictated by regional wildlife management agencies, which may or may not manage populations in the right way. Are the local sixty-year-old men just telling tales when they compare the Oregon of their youth to the Alaska of today, with it's abundant game? My hunch is that they aren't, and it nags at me sometimes when I'm chewing a tendy and juicy elk steak.

Does anyone else in the tribe eat venison, or abstain for ethical reasons? I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Willie Love

PS - I just found this tribe, and I've yet to read all the old posts, so forgive me if this thread is redundant. I've adopted this tribe's title to describe what kind of 'vore I am...thanks for being here.

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Foragers feed sustainability

Dubcepticon — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:28:23 GMT

I just wanted to thank yall for starting this tribe. An open mind about meat eating is very important to the open discussion about sustainability. I'll illustrate. Many grass land regions of mountain nor-cal have poor soils. In order to grow food crops on these lands, large amounts of fertilizers and water would be needed. Conversely, cattle can forage these soils, eating many of the grasses that are of low to zero nutrient qulality to us. In this way, a cow converts the forage of a nominally fertile area into an amazingly energy rich food stuff for us Peoples. So, a grazing cow is actually a much more sustainable and responsible means of food production in this case... Aren't cows nice, they cruise around and eat stuff we can't, then they kindly turn it into steak. Protect open space, conserve resources, live sustainably. EAT MEAT!

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Really bad idea USDA bill

thebrillianthen — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:46:08 GMT

The new amendment to the Farm Bill makes it illegal for states to prohibit "the sale of USDA inspected products."

As worded, if this passes, the impact at the state level would be:

-Unable to pass state/local laws which prohibit sale of foods from inhumane sources (force fed geese, tortured veal, etc.)
-Unable to pass state/local laws which prohibit sale of foods with GMOs, chemicals, or any ingredient which the USDA does not prohibit
-Even the inability to condemn spoiled or contaminated foods at the state and local level, where 90% of food inspection takes place

I urge you to sign the related petition, and I warn you to uncheck the "alerts" section to avoid eco-spam. Sigh:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/135387058

Please feel free to repost....

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New tribe- ethnic and traditional foods and food lore

girlmark — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:57:23 GMT

I started a new tribe for discussing 'ethnic food' in general, and also for discussing food traditions- what people eat on traditional holidays and other special occasions, food in religious ritual, and anything else related to what the grandma's did besides cook the stuff.

www.tribes.tribe.net/foodtraditions

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3 new related tribes

Lady Bird — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:07:12 GMT

Here's 3 new tribes that may be of interest to members of this tribe:

http://tribes.tribe.net/33367459 (Nourishing Traditions)

http://tribes.tribe.net/eatlocal

http://tribes.tribe.net/100milediet

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Wild Boar

Melodious — Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:31:00 GMT

I cross-posted this from my post to the Kitchen Stadium tribe (about the Iron Chef America TV show). I thought it might be of interest to this tribe and would love to hear any responses.

From http://tribes.tribe.net/kitchenstadium/thread/56e50b65-409f-4efc-99db-6617c8c4db7e

I think this ranks as the most interesting "secret ingredient" on Iron Chef America yet. I was very disappointed, however, that the ingredient itself--a very unusual one in modern America--was not discussed at all, nor did any of the dishes reflect the long culinary use of wild boar in Europe and Asia. Where was Alton Brown's usual analysis?

I'm not up on the history of wild boar in Asia, but I know that it was considered prize game in medieval Europe, though I think it may now be considered a pest there (after all, it really is just a wild and very dangerous form of pig). Out of curiosity, I did some Google searches and learned that the wild boar is not native to the New World, but was introduced by Europeans and ultimately crossbred with domestic pigs, so "wild boar" in the Americas is probably not what you would have seen centuries ago in Europe and Asia.

I found this very recent Austin, Texas newspaper article about this episode, which Iron Chef fans might enjoy (it puts to rest the question of whether the contestants know the ingredients in advance--they knew it would be one of three):
www.austin360.com/food_drin...nchef.html

I also found the wild game farm in Texas that supplied the wild boar for this episode:
www.brokenarrowranch.com/Artic...ar.htm

If their website is to be believed, this ranch practices sustainable and humane methods. But I uncovered something else, a bit disturbing, in my brief Internet forays on this topic. Apparently there are a number of private hunting "resorts" in the southern United States and Canada that set up wild boar to be shot by trophy hunters. This type of "sport" is hardly news, and as a carnivore, I'm not questioning hunting, nor am I ignorant as to where my meat comes from. But am I the only one who finds this troubling?

This one in Ontario is pretty loathsome:
www.bigtusks.com/

Especially bad is this part of their "FAQ":
"Q: What happens if I just can't get the wild boar?
A: Have faith in yourself! But, should you feel you may require assistance, WildBoar Reserve can guarantee your success. We have trained boar dogs, if/when requested, to find the wild boar for you. When a wild boar is found you can take it while it is distracted by the barking dogs. The dogs guarantee you'll get your wild boar."

I know boar dogs were used in medieval Europe, and yes, I know bow hunting was done then, but aren't we in the 21st century? Do we really need to make an animal suffer like this these days just so some wannabe "big-game hunter" can hang a pair of tusks on his wall?

Here's another one that made me positively ill, from south Texas:
www.huntinfo.com/hht/

Perhaps this is why Alton Brown didn't discuss the ingredient on the show--too likely to cause controversy? I will cross post to the Food History and Ethical Carnivore tribes as well, to get more input. I'm open to any opinions on this subject; I'm just curious about it.

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Good ethical carnivore charity for the holidays

thebrillianthen — Sat, 02 Dec 2006 23:23:35 GMT

If you or someone you know gives or receives charity gifts, I thought I'd post about this for the holidays. Heifer.org is a charity where you can sponsor an animal or animals for a family in need. There are all different levels of gifts, with animals used for different purposes:

http://www.heifer.org/site/c.edJRKQNiFiG/b.204586/

And once you buy a gift, you can print a card (so you can write on it and send it yourself), send a card (their mail deadline is Dec. 6 for Christmas, though), or send an ecard letting someone know you sponsored the animal on their behalf. They have cards for more than one holiday, or no holiday:
http://www.heifer.org/site/c.edJRKQNiFiG/b.901767/

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The Ethicurean -- Chew the Right Thing

Dok_Atomik — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:25:27 GMT

A cross-post from Food Geeks. Well worth a look.

http://www.ethicurean.com/

Johnny

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BBQ association recommendation ?

mikeh — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:05:57 GMT

I live in San Francisco and am looking for a BBQ association to join preferably in my region but more importantly one that embraces the ideals of this tribe. Anyone heard of such a thing?

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FOIE GRAS AGAIN!!

Arne — Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:10:12 GMT

I Just ready that Chicago, which had banned the cruelest liver on the planet, is going to be reevaluating the issue.

Some one should go and force feed the city council for a week and see how they feel!!!!

Man it makes my blood boil that people think they can just do whatever they want to whatever they want.........grrrrrr.

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Crabs?!?`

Arne — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:42:25 GMT

Hi there,

I am new to the Tribe, thought I'd say hello and how do you do with a little article about invasive crabs in the Atlanitic from the CBC.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/06/20/crabs-invasive.html

Chef Arne

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Quinoa

FeralCat — Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:32:42 GMT

So, I'm trying to reduce the amount of meat i cook at home.

I learned that quinoa has lots of protein.

So, i made up this recipe, and i think it turned out pretty good. If you make adjustments if you try it, let me know...

Quinoa and Basil Salad
(You may want to cut this recipe in half)

Cook in rice cooker:

14 oz (2 1/3 C) quinoa
4 2/3 C water

Toast:

1 ½ C pine nuts

Add:

½ C olive oil plus 2 medium garlic cloves, minced – combined to distribute garlic

2 t sea salt
2 medium red onions, diced
2 med tomatoes, diced
2T minced Italian parsley
1T minced chives

¼ C olive oil + enough basil to make ¾ C puree combined

Toss everything together once quinoa has cooled down to room temperature

Eat warm or at room temperature

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Diced onions 2

Arne — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:21:00 GMT

Try this link if the other does not work
http://www.news-cast.com/foodandbeverage/TheChefGroup/index.html

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Diced Onion

Arne — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:25:37 GMT

Good day everyone,
Here is a video of a Chef Tip.Over the years people have told me that this is one thing that has made their kitchen experieince easier.

Enjoy.
www.news-cast.com/foodandbe...index.html

Chef Arne' Kitchen
tribes.tribe.net/chefarne

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Growing your own?

Aggie — Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:10:16 GMT

I'm new to this tribe thing, so apologies in advance for any faux pas. I like the title of this tribe, because I have been thinking a lot about my own meat eating the past few years. I agree with the idea of ethical meat eating (and vegetable eating too for that matter).

Do any of you grow your own meat? I'm thinking of growing chickens next year. If I can't slaughter my own, then I wonder if it's ok for me to eat meat. That's just my idea for myself, I'm not saying that's how everyone should be. Anyway, just curious if any of you grow or have grown your own meat.

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Hello!

kellyk — Tue, 23 May 2006 20:58:08 GMT

I just wanted to say a quick hello. I've been trying to eat ethically for some while now (read: when I could afford to, when iI could remember to), but while reading Jane Goodall's "A Harvest for Hope" over the last week or so, Ive decided to whole-heartedly follow this way of life.

I was wondering, do any of you know of good places to buy organic or grain-fed meat in Toronto (besides Whole Foods that is!)?

Thanks

Kelly

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Alameda Fishing

ukeapocalypse — Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:25:07 GMT

I live on Central near Webster in Alameda. There's a bait shop just down the street from me. Does this suggest that there's some good fishing 'round these parts? :)
I do not, to be fair, know much of anything about fishing. I haven't been since I was a kid, but have wanted to start again recently. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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Antibiotics in chickens petition

Grandma — Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:50:44 GMT

Here is a petition to urge Pilgrim's Pride (#2 chicken producer) to do what other big growers are finally beginning to do - stop using high levels of antibiotics in fryer growing. Definitely worth a few clicks, eh?

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/784922634?ltl=1144370692

:-)
Grandma

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Heritage turkeys

thebrillianthen — Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:29:37 GMT

Did anyone eat one of these for Thanksgiving? I wanted to, but they were first come first served at the Berkeley Bowl, and I missed the heritage turkey train.

Hopefully, they'll have them at Christmas time. If I can, I'll even pick up a second one to freeze and have later.

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ethical meat or yuk?

mella — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:34:58 GMT

"Experiments for NASA space missions have shown that small amounts of edible meat can be created in a lab. But the technology that could grow chicken nuggets without the chicken, on a large scale, may not be just a science fiction fantasy."

http://www.newsdesk.umd.edu/scitech/release.cfm?ArticleID=1098

The question is: would YOU eat it?

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Kinda Funny!

Mon, 30 May 2005 17:13:54 GMT

Just wanted to share ...

http://www.storewars.org/flash/index.html

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Introduction

joytastic — Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:03:18 GMT

Good afternoon, fellow tribers.

My name is Meredith, and I just joined this tribe. I am looking forward to getting to know you all a little better and participating in some good discussions.

Thanks for the 2 seconds of you life you just spent reading my Hello.

~smile~
Meredith

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Bay Area Ethical Butchers

aclipscomb — Sun, 06 Mar 2005 13:48:37 GMT

A friend of my wife's that lives in the Bay Area is interested in shifting over to meat grown in a more ecologically sustainable fashion, specifically venison and/or rabbit.

Anyone know of any places in the area she could check with?

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Kosher beef

marinaomi — Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:37:13 GMT

A friend of mine just relayed some information he found out about on NPR, then investigated on the internet. Apparently there is some Kosher cattle plant in Wisconsin where they were slaughtering the cows by slitting their throats, then tearing out their tracheas, leaving the still-alive cows to thrash and stumble around, suffocating, suffering and bleeding to death. This was caught on video, then broadcast on the internet (and my friend now says he regrets viewing it - I don't know what he was thinking!). The NPR broadcast talked about PETA's obvious problem with this particular slaughterhouse, and there was argument from a person in the Jewish community, of being persecuted. He compared PETA to Nazis, for criticizing and trying to halt an age-old tradition.

My question is this: I was under the impression that Kosher meat was, for the most part, humanely raised and slaughtered. Is the tearing of tracheas and torture of cattle as they die and suffocate slowly a norm in Kosherworld, or did this particular slaughterhouse take the meaning of Kosher into their own hands?

I am not putting much credibility into the one man who called PETA Nazis, as he clearly has issues. I sincerely doubt that most people would try to justify such gruesome deaths, considering it gave my friends so many heebies and jeebies.

Mari

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Pheasants

eiburamu — Tue, 02 Nov 2004 01:20:43 GMT

Pheasants are good. They taste right between duck and chicken. Love the pheasant.

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"happy chicken"

Mon, 09 Aug 2004 02:27:49 GMT

I'm a newby to eating creatures with eyes other than potatoes...

After speaking with a couple of intuitive healers, I have begun eating chicken, salmon and halibut once in a while for spritual connection with these animals and more specifically for their protein contribution to my diet.

Since I don't know how to cook them yet, what do I look for in chicken at the healthy food stores to know it was a free range, happy chicken? I realize sometimes labels may say this but most of the time they don't HAVE to...

Also, is there anyone in the Portland metro area who would like to trade herbal meds for a chicken cooking lesson?

Thanks!!!

SM

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No surprise here

Grandma — Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:32:14 GMT

(Been saying this for years. Grazing animals are part of the ecology...GM)

RANCHERS GO GREEN

In Wyoming a new movement, based upon traditional practices, is developing among cattle ranchers called Holistic Resource Management (HRM). Ranchers are finding that cattle herds and the land thrive when cattle and livestock are treated more like a wild herd. Altering cattle grazing patterns and herd clustering to emulate those of their buffalo predecessors has a significant positive impact on the environment, including the health and diversity of the native grasses. Rodents are controlled by providing natural habitat for predators like eagles. According to Jim Gould, HRM practitioner on his family's ranch, "Everything has a place in this life, you just have to figure out what it is."

Read more at:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/organic/holistic080204.cfm

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Thrilled to find you!

Dyana — Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:47:08 GMT

Heh.. I love meat. It's great to find a place where I can care how the animals are treated, but not be flamed for eating the meat. I wasn't made to be a pure carnivore or herbivore, and I enjoy being an omnivore. I don't feel guilty for it, and dislike people trying to make me feel so. *hugs everyone* I'm a little meat happy right now, we just got a grill.

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eat well guide

zugwrack — Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:39:01 GMT

http://www.eatwellguide.org/

Great website!

Here's a blurb:
"The Eat Well Guide is designed to help consumers locate sustainably raised meats, eggs, and dairy in their local area, or by online order if there are few local options. The search functions on the home page can be specified by the user. The search engine will automatically expand a search if it returns few records, and there is a "modify search" criterion available for the user, as well."

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Ethical Shopping

Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:43:19 GMT

I live in Los Angeles, and the best source of ethical meats is Wholefoods Market. It's definitely more expensive than regular supermarkets, but the quality is unmatched anywhere else. Every meat they sell is, at the very least, free-range and non-antibiotic. You can find chicken like this for about $2/pound, which I think it very reasonable.

They also have free-range organic meats (organic fed) for much more -- but definitely worth it. They have almost everything you could want, from rabbit to many types of fowl, to beef and buffalo, lamb, pork, and dry-aged beef. They also come from local CA sources, and as far away as New Zealand. The meat departments are top notch (although I do notice the quality and freshness can vary slightly from store to store, so I only shop at my favorite one -- at Fairfax and 3rd St. -- you can skip the Beverly Hills store).

I'm very thankful to Wholefoods for offering healthy and ethical resources in such a big city, where it can be a challenge to feed yourself healthily. And once you've become accustomed to such quality, anything else won't taste right. =)

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Calif organic & grass-fed meat resources

Mojave66 — Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:59:31 GMT

Most of these are also free-range, but it doesn't hurt to double-check:

http://www.heall.com/resource/food/california.htm

http://www.morrisgrassfed.com/

http://www.diamondorganics.com/meat.html

http://www.diamondorganics.com/pork.html

http://www.sforganic.com/Links.html

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Link to SF's Farmer's Markets

Mojave66 — Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:06:05 GMT

The market carries organic, certified free-range eggs, small batch cheeses and organic, free-range and grass-fed meats.

http://www.ferryplazafarmersmarket.com/

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Monterey Bay's Seafood Watch list

Mojave66 — Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:00:26 GMT

This is a great resource to find out what are good, sustainable choices for fish and seafood:

http://www.montereybayaquarium.com/cr/seafoodwatch.asp

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